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"Moon plays": The moon was the Earth - Lies and Truth in the Atmosphere - the moon lie

26. Laser reflectors "on the moon" without coordinates - NASA fantasy coordinates

The laser reflectors are much too little to be located - impossible locating over 380,000 km - also the Soviet reflectors are a lie - the coordinates of the "moon landings" are not standardized - not even a "Lunar Module" or a "moon car" can be found...

Laser
                      reflector of Apollo 11, 46 by 46 cm, hardly bigger
                      than a laptop.
vergrössernLaser reflector of Apollo 11, 46 by 46 cm,
hardly bigger than a laptop [1]

by Michael Palomino (2006 / 2010)

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from:
-- Gerhard Wisnewski: Lügen im Weltraum [Lies in Space]; Knaur 2005
-- web sites


The alleged "reflectors" installed "on the moon"

"On the moon" there is said there are installed some "reflectors" from the "USA" and from the "Soviet Union". The data about the installed reflectors and the availability are the following:

16 to 24 July 1969
"USA": Apollo 11 is said to have set up a reflector "on the moon" of 46 by 46 cm
(Wisnewski, p.208, 218)

Laser reflector of Apollo 11

Laser reflector of Apollo 11, 46 by 46
                            cm, hardly bigger than a laptop.
vergrössernLaser reflector of Apollo 11, 46 by 46 cm, hardly bigger than a laptop [1]
Apollo 11 Foto-Nr. AS11-40-5952HR:
                            Laser reflector 46 by 46 cm on the
                            "moon surface" in the moon hall.
                            The reflector seems to be too big, the
                            shadow seems to be too long, and foot prints
                            around the reflector are missing. So, the
                            photo is an incomplete photo composition
                            from the NASA phot studio in Langley...
vergrössernApollo 11 Foto-Nr. AS11-40-5952HR: Laser reflector 46 by 46 cm on the "moon surface" in the moon hall. The reflector seems to be too big, the shadow seems to be too long, and foot prints around the reflector are missing. So, the photo is an incomplete photo composition from the NASA phot studio in Langley... [2]


10 Nov 1970
"SU": "Lunar probe " Luna 17 (Lunik 17) starts and is said to have set up a reflector "on the moon"
(Wisnewski, p.219)

The big apparatus of the "Soviet" atmosphere flight has four ramps on which the freight is loaded. The "moon robot" "Lunokhod" can be steered down by radio communication and is said to perform experiments and analyzes.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_17 (August 2006)

"Lunar probe" Luna with "moon robot" Lunochod / Lunokhod
Luna 17, drawing with the "moon
                          robot" "Lunokhod"
                          ("Lunochod") at the top.
Luna 17, drawing with the "moon robot" "Lunokhod" ("Lunochod") at the top [3]
Abfahrt des "Mondroboters"
                            "Lunochod" / "Lunokhod"
vergrössern"Landing" of the "Lunar probe" with one single engine [impossible], an then the "moon robot" "Lunochod" / "Lunokhod" is said to be steered by radio communication from the Earth over a distance of 380,000 km [also impossible] [4]

Lunochod / Lunokhod auf der
                            Trägersonde, die Rampen sind unten
vergrössernLunochod / Lunokhod on the bearing probe, the ramps are set down. But how shall this thing have flown with only one engine and have landed on the moon by remote control from the Earth without a crash? [5]




In the "Lunokhod" there is a retro laser reflector.
(http://cr4.globalspec.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/20/167247)

The reflector of Luna 17 is said to have never functioned.
(http://www.mondlandung.pcdl.de/prolandung/index_pro.htm)

Lunochod / Lunokhod with a round
                          reflector which can be expanded.
Lunochod / Lunokhod with a round reflector which can be expanded [6]


31 Jan -9 Feb 1971
"USA": Apollo 14 is said to have set up a reflector 46 by 46 cm "on the moon"
(Wisnewski, p.208, 218)

Apollo 14 foto no. AS14-67-9386: Laser
                          reflector 46 by 46 cm on the "moon
                          surface" in the moon hall.
 
vergrössernApollo 14 foto no. AS14-67-9386: Laser reflector 46 by 46 cm on the "moon surface" in the moon hall [7]


26 July -7 Aug 1971
"USA": Apollo 15 is said to have set up a reflector 104 by 61 cm "on the moon"
(Wisnewski, p.218).

[With this reflector on the "lunar surface" there is no good photo available].

8 Jan 1973
"SU": "Lunar probe" Luna 21 starts and is said to have set up a reflector "on the moon"
(Wisnewski, p.219).

The "Lunar probe" has - like Luna 17 - a "moon robot" on board, a "Lunochod", with an integrated retro laser reflector.
(http://cr4.globalspec.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/20/167247)

This reflector is said to be functioning. Until now (2006) the three reflectors of the Apollo "missions" and the Luna 21 reflector "Lunochod" are officially set up on the "moon surface" and are said to "function".
(http://www.mondlandung.pcdl.de/prolandung/index_pro.htm)

[But the problem of an impossible radio communication over a distance of 380,000 km and of an impossible landing of the Luna probes by an impossible radio communication is never mentioned...]

According to Wisnewski it's absolutely nonsense why the "Soviets" would set up reflectors on the moon when Apollo is setting up some reflectors already, because the "rear reflectors" are reflecting without ideology. Why shall be wasted freight weight when Apollo had done this work? This doubled work seems to be suspicious (Wisnewski, p.219).

[Perhaps the reflectors on the moon become also fragile on the moon because of the exposure to the temperatures of plus 200°C and minus 200°C, or they are covered with dust, or they are overwhelmed? Are there long time tests with reflectors? Any speculation is possible...].

The impossible locating of the little reflectors

The reflectors are said to have been set up "on the moon" to measure better the distance between Earth and moon. But the reflectors are not more than good "rear reflectors". And when there would really set up these little reflectors on the moon so it would not be possible to locate them, because on a distance of 380,000 km a laser beam is 7 km large, and after the reflexion on the moon surface the laser beam is 20 km large.

(In: Deiss, Dr. Bruno: Laser-Reflektor-Experimente [Laser reflector experiments]; www.planetenkunde.de/m001/m001000/m001_x01.htm; Wisnewski, p.218).

Some sources indicate also a surface of 20 km2 (Wisnewski, p.376).

    
This should be a laser beam measuring
                            the distance between moon and Earth for
                            several hours by reflection of a reflector
                            set up "on the moon" for distance
                            measuring.
  
vergrössernThis should be a laser beam measuring the distance between moon and Earth for several hours by reflection of a reflector set up "on the moon" for distance measuring [8]

Some sources maintain that it would be possible with a laser beam to measure the distance between moon and Earth with an accuracy of 3 cm, when the measuring would last several hours to get a precise result. So it would not be important if the beam at the moon is 7 km large. By this method - among others - it would be possible to measure that the moon is 3.8 cm leaving from the Earth every year.
(http://www.planetenkunde.de/m001/m001000/m001_mx0101_03.htm)

[All this seems to be very precise, but seems also to be very magic, because nobody can control this. Only the measuring station can control it itself].

But principally a "reflector" is not needed on the moon for a reflection of a laser beam because the beam is reflecting on the moon surface itself. there remains the question why one has to locate the tiny reflectors "on the moon". Because all in all it's impossible to find the little reflectors from the Earth. There is no camera which is strong enough to evaluate the positions to make possible any location (Wisnewski, p.219-221).

[And there is another fact: When a measurement between moon an Earth shall last several hours the Earth is turning during that time some more 10°. It would be necessary to locate the reflector another and another time, perhaps every 10 minutes. By this the measurement would begin an begin again. So, calm measurements over some hours between reflectors "on the moon" and the Earth are not at all possible].


Some more reasons why the laser reflectors are not necessary "on the moon"

  

Gernot L. Geise, Portrait
Gernot L. Geise, Portrait [9]

Gernot L. Geise indicates some more reasons why laser reflectors make no sense "on the moon":

  • <First the distance between moon and Earth has not been determined until now as a stable distance. Every institution which is busy with this subject indicates other numbers. This is because the moon is moving and has no stable connection to the Earth. The moon is not orbiting the Earth but is with the Earth on a "shooting course" on the same elliptic orbit around the Sun.
  • Secondly I mean that the laser mirror of e.g. Apollo 11 is (comparing fotos) not adjusted to the Earth. When we admit it would really be on the moon  there cannot be awaited any correct reflexion. NASA arguments are that the mirror could not function because it had been set up to near to the Lunar Module.
  • Thirdly there is no laser mirror needed to measure the distance with a laser. The normal bright reflecting lunar surface is absolutely enough. This was explained by a technician in detail. Even astronomer Prof. Harald Lesch (who is a fighter for Apollo) declared in a popular scientific TV broadcast (in Bavarian TV on BR Alpha) that the moon had a "madly bright reflecting surface".>

(original:

  • <Erstens ist der Abstand zwischen Erde und Mond bis zum heutigen Tag nicht als feste Grösse festgestellt worden. Jede damit beschäftigte Institution gibt andere Werte an, was damit zusammenhängt, dass sich der Mond bewegt und keine feste Verbindung zur Erde hat. Der Mond umkreist nicht etwa die Erde, sondern bewegt sich zusammen mit der Erde auf einem "Schleuderkurs" auf derselben elliptischen Umlaufbahn um die Sonne.
  • Zweitens ist der Laserspiegel beispielsweise von APOLLO 11 meiner Meinung nach (aufgrund der Fotos) gar nicht auf die Erde ausgerichtet. Von ihm - gesetzt den Fall, er würde wirklich auf dem Mond stehen - kann also keine korrekte Reflexion erwartet werden. Hierzu wird beispielsweise von der NASA argumentiert, der Spiegel könne deshalb nicht funktionieren, weil er leider zu dicht bei der Fähre aufgestellt worden sei.
  • Drittens braucht man gar keinen Laserspiegel, um per Laser die Entfernung zu messen. Die normal reflektierende helle Mond-Oberfläche reicht dazu völlig aus, wie mir ein Techniker detailliert erklärt hat. Selbst der Astronom Prof. Harald Lesch (der an den APOLLO-Kritikern kein gutes Haar lässt) erklärte in einer seiner polulärwissenschaftlichen TV-Sendungen (im Bayerischen Fernsehen auf BR-alpha), der Mond habe eine "wahnsinnig hell reflektierende Oberfläche".>

(In: Gernot L. Geise: Laserreflektor [Laser reflector]; http://www.gernot-geise.de/apollo/dateien/laserreflektor.html (2006)


Where are the coordinates of the "moon landings" and of the laser reflectors?

  
Map of the moon with the alleged
                          positions of the reflectors.   
vergrössernMap of the moon with the alleged positions of the reflectors [10].

It would be logic to think that the laser reflectors could be found where the "moon astronauts" would have set them up during the "moon landings" (Wisnewski, p.221). An investigation of space flight historian Michael Stenneken has given an other result. He wanted to buy land "on the moon" near a "moon landing" place and wanted to have the precise coordinates. But he found out that there are no standardized coordinates of the "moon landings":

-- exact, coordinated landing coordinates do not exist
-- the NASA websites present different coordinates and are contradictory
-- NASA itself refers to their websites (Wisnewski, p.223)
-- on the websites about the landing coordinates are mistakes, confusions between decimal system with the degree system and so on (Wisnewski, p.224)
-- all in all Stenneken finds out 10 different coordinates versions, eight of the from the NASA (Wisnewski, p.223).

After request the NASA experts admit that they would not know the exact coordinates. This would not be so important (Wisnewski, p.224).

[Mickey Mouse NASA has never looked for coordinates...]

The verification of the different coordinate versions in the Stenneken's computer program results a maximum aberration of the "landing places" on the moon of 20 km, and this maximum aberration of 20 km just concerns  Apollo 11, the first "moon landing" (Wisnewski, p.224).

  
Paul Spudis, Portrait
Paul Spudis, Portrait [11]

It comes out that the cartographic net on the moon had been changed between 1968 and 1995. There exist different coordinate systems for the moon (Wisnewski, p.224). Paul Spudis from the Johnson Space Center affirms that the control center at Houston and the moon cartographers  had used different coordinate systems. That's why the indications are different (Wisnewski, p.225).

Dr. David Williams vom NSSDC
Dr. David Williams from NSSDC [12]

  

In 2000 comes out that there is no official table of the "landing places" (Wisnewski, p.226). In 2000 also Dr. Dave Williams from the National Space Science Data Center (NSSDC) means that a list with the landing points does not exist. He affirms he would make a list soon "and make a decision concerning the best places." (Wisnewski, p.224)

On 25 August 2000 NASA insider Merton Davies (who had been a staff member even during the Corona espionage program) publishes an official list of the landing coordinates of the "moon landings" with the claim (Wisnewski, p.226) that the coordinates had been evaluated by the laser reflectors (Wisnewski, p.227).

Very good, because nobody can locate these laser reflectors because the coordinates of the "moon landings" are not known and the reflectors are much too little to be recognized from Earth over a distance of 380,000 km... (Wisnewski, p.227).

[Coordinates are missing yet...

All in all officially only three reflectors have been set up during a "moon landing" "on the moon". When the locations of the "moon landings" were evaluated by the reflectors (Apollo 11, 14, 15), so the coordinates from three other "moon landings"  would be missing yet (Apollo 12, 16, 17).

And when a "measuring" between moon and Earth would last several hours then the measuring is more than imprecise because of the rotation of the Earth, resp. the measuring is impossible...

(Conclusion by Michael Palomino)]

NASA insider Davies (born 1917) died in 2001. [He took all NASA lies into his grave].
(http://www.answers.com/topic/davies)


Lunar Modules "on the moon" cannot be found

The same problem with the missing coordinates is coming up when one is looking for the Lunar Modules "on the moon" which are said to be "on the moon" yet and should be possible to find. The probe technique, the satellite technique and the foto technique (foto resolution) of today (2005) sseem not to be capable to find the things which allegedly have been left "on the moon", also when these things are 4,2 m large and 3,26 m high (Wisnewski, p.246-262).

[Question:
The same question is with the "moon cars" which are said to have been left "on the moon". But when one cannot find a Lunar Module, who should it be possible to find the tiny reflectors then? NASA claims at the same time that many satellites have orbited around the moon and had made fotos and so on. Why is not sent a strong satellite in a moon orbit to make the fotos which are necessary to find the Lunar Modules? It seems that the suspicion becomes confirmed that because of a high cosmic radiation and because of a distance of 380,000 km it's not at all possible to shoot a satellite into a moon orbit and to have a radio communication with it...

(Conclusion Palomino)]


Conclusion: The reflector lie of Mickey Mouse NASA

   
Laser reflector on the
                        "moon surface" are a lie.
Laser reflectors on the "moon surface" are a lie [2]

The indications about reflectors "on the moon" seem to be another fairy tale in a comic style of Mickey Mouse and Mr. von Braun. Without precise coordinates it's not possible to locate the reflectors. And considering the rotation of the Earth it's not possible to locate the reflectors for several hours. Mickey Mouse and Mr. von Braun forgot that Earth is turning around the own axis.

With the indication of Merton Davies that the positions of the "moon landings" could be evaluated by the "reflectors" we have the proof that NASA is a Mickey Mouse NASA. Davies was not even capable to see the technical realities but he defended the moon landing fantasy until his death. And of course he determined only three of six "moon landings" because three other had no reflector installed.

This Mickey Mouse moon landing fantasy can be admitted for the whole NASA staff, the "US" regime inclusive.

Mickey Mouse NASA acts with further visions and is wasting billions of Dollars tax money with it, and the Mickey Mouse presidents of the "USA" are playing along the game.

So, there can only be advised not to purchase "land" on the "moon", and not to purchase "moon books" with "beautiful fotos".

(Conclusion Palomino)


This is NO conspiracy theory, stupid Wikipedia, but these are facts. You don't believe? The facts remain.

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Picture sources

[1] laser reflector of Apollo 11, 46 by 46 cm: http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?txtkeys1=Laser

[2] Apollo 11 foto no. AS11-40-5952HR: Laser reflector 46 by 46 cm on "moon surface" in a moon hall:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entfernungsmessung; http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Apollo_AS11-40-5952HR.jpg

[3] Luna 17, drawing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_17

[4] Luna 17: Landing of the "lunar probe" [not possible] and start of the "moon robot" "Lunochod" / "Lunokhod" with radio communication from the Earth [also not possible]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunokhod

[5] Lunochod / Lunokhod on bearing probe, the ramps are down: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap970420.html;
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/lunokhod_1_big.gif

[6] Lunochod / Lunokhod with expanded reflector: http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod2.htm

[7] Apollo 14 foto no. AS14-67-9386: Laser reflector 46 by 46 cm on the "moon surface" in the moon hall:
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/mirrors/images/html/as14.htm

[8] observatory with laser beam to the moon: http://www.planetenkunde.de/m001/m001000/m001_mx0101_03.htm

[9] Gernot L. Geise, portrait: http://atlantisforschung.de/content/home/gastautoren/geise.htm

[10] "map of the moon" with alleged positions of the reflectors [impossible]: http://physics.ucsd.edu/~tmurphy/apollo/lrrr.html

[11] Paul Spudis, portrait: http://www.earthsky.com/shows/astrophysics_profiles.php?id=48575

[12] Dr. Dave Williams from NSSDC: http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nssdc_news/sept00/viking_lander.html


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